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by Robert A. Morey




"Since the earliest years of Christianity, the doctrine of eternal punishment has been fiercely attacked. Today that attack continues.

Conditionalism and universalism are widely accepted as being biblically, logically and ethically far more acceptable than traditional theology. But Dr. Morey here presents a persuasive case with which anyone who seeks to malign or weaken the historical doctrine must reckon."

Dr. Vernon Grounds

President Emeritus, Conservative Baptist Theological Seminary

"Dr. Robert Morey's work provides an extensive examination of the biblical language related to human destiny beyond death and a careful discussion of the passages of canonical scripture in which the future condition of the lost is considered. The lucid style and the very careful organization of the material make the work readily understandable for a lay audience as well as pastors and Bible scholars."

Dr. Roger Nicole

Professor of Theology, Gordon Conwell Theological Seminary

Download Death and the Afterlife epub
ISBN: 0871234335
ISBN13: 978-0871234339
Category: Bibles
Subcategory: Theology
Author: Robert A. Morey
Language: English
Publisher: Bethany House Pub; Underlining edition (May 1, 1984)
Pages: 315 pages
ePUB size: 1529 kb
FB2 size: 1989 kb
Rating: 4.2
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Yojin
In this secular age, we need reminders as the spiritually minded,that this is not all there is. This book really goes into the doctrine of soul and afterlife.
Some may scoff. But I choose to believe in more than the physical. Uncertain? This book will validate those so predesposed ,and give the
"is that all there is" crowd pause. Learn it "here" You may wish you had "there".....
fire dancer
Thorough and comprehensive in the explanation of what happens to souls after death.
Xurad
Great reference book
Androrim
A very thorough book on exegesis of the Bible. A great tool to realign traditional thinking that often misses the mark in understanding of the Bible. The principles of hermeneutics are well laid out and applied. This book will take you places you didn't know existed. The book covers from the creation of man to the afterlife.
Cobandis
While a lot of your thoughts have validity they don't address the whole problem presented in the bible hence why I believe Morey's and others view hold much weight and too need to be considered. You mentioned Eccl 9:5 the dead are conscious of nothing at all but Eccl 12 7 says Then the dust returns to the earth just as it happened to be and the spirit itself returns to the [true] God who gave it. So yes the body dies but the Spirit returns to God. Do you throw that out because of Ecc 9:5? Eccl 9:5 could be argued that ones who have died no longer posses any knowledge of events here on earth nor will any of their work here on earth have any reward. Right off the JW website I cut and pasted Eccl 3:20-21 from the New World translation " All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust. 21 Who is there knowing the spirit of the sons of mankind, whether it is ascending upward; and the spirit of the beast, whether it is descending downward to the earth?" This clearly shows the mystery that at least Solomon held on this subject but in Eccl 12:7 its shows that the Spirit of man goes back to God. If we look at Eccl 3:11 NWT 11 Everything he has made pretty in its time. Even time indefinite he has put in their heart, that mankind may never find out the work that the [true] God has made from the start to the finish." Obviously man is not the same as beast he didn't put eternity into the hearts of the animals did he? I believe its very risky business to come to complete conclusions from the book of Ecclesiastes alone for example Eccl 10:19 Men prepare a meal for enjoyment, and wine makes life merry, and money is the answer to everything. Obviously money isn't the answer to all things! There are a lot of extremes in Ecclesiastes.
You mentioned your reservations about Phil 1:"21 For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. 22But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which to choose. 23But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better" I don't think you have to do much research to understand what he was saying here. To die is Gain?? Why gain? Having a desire to depart and be with Christ? Look also at 2 Cor 5 1-8 Paul CLEARLY states that being out of the body is to be present with the Lord. I believe He knew that he would be with Christ immediately. Your position that he knew this would be after the resurrection thousands of years later doesn't seem to explain the almost excitement Paul has at the anticipation of the immediacy of his expression. This line of thinking also dovetails in with the thief on the cross account. The thief would have taken very little comfort in the fact that Christ was telling him that today you will be in paradise with me actually meant thousands of years later! Your whole JW position on this one subject does have some good points and it makes understanding just what happens at death somewhat contradicting at times. But your position is only one sided.
You appeared to try to throw the whole book under the bus regarding the mistake in the beginning of the book. It's unfortunate that the book starts out with the wrong quote being attributed to Solomon but that doesn't void its contents. But you organizations endless failed prophecies/dates like 1914,1925, 1975. Your Governing Bodies unwillingness to admit that they have in fact stated in their literature that they are a prophet of God Wt,1/15/59,pg40,41 or Wt,4/1/72,pg197. Your position on allowing products made from blood to be consumed. Example gamma globulin shots or hemophiliac preparations made from over 200 plus quarts of stored blood for one preparation and at the same time children dying in car accidents by refusal to accept blood. P.S. blood isn't a feeding it's a liquid tissue transplant. Your position that there is 2 classes of Christians are examples of your own willingness to commit to ideas which are unbiblical as well. Actually you may not given this much thought but your mere acceptance that the supposed "anointed " are going immediately in the presence of God when they die to rule with Christ actually is a belief in life after death. Unfortunately somehow along the way you allowed someone to tell you that your not part of the covenant. John 10:16 says 1flock not 2. Rev 7 which is a major stretch of the imagination to somehow tie into 1935 and ole Judge Rutherford's royal confusion actually shows the great crowd is in heaven. Look how many times it says before the thrown. Friend the other sheep were the gentiles! I would study Ephesians 2:11-22 and Ephesians 3:1-10. Then ask yourself if you haven't fallen victim to what is stated at2 Corinthians 4:4
Shadowbourne
Robert Morey (born 1946) is a Christian apologist and pastor who has written a number of books and pamphlets, such as How to Answer a Jehovah's Witness,How to Answer a Mormon,Islamic Invasion,The Truth About Masons,Reincarnation and Christianity, etc. [NOTE: page numbers refer to the 315-page hardcover edition.]

He says in the Introduction of this 1984 book, “Bible-believing Christians have passed through the acknowledgement, indifference, ignorance, doubt, denial and irritation phases and are now entering the affirmation phase. The Universalists and the annihilationists have invaded the Christian Church just as the Philistines invaded Israel. It is once again necessary to defend the gospel truth that unbelief results in God’s wrath (Jn 3:36) and that this wrath is eternal (Mt 25:46).”

He says in the first chapter, "we cannot base our understanding of death and an afterlife solely upon passages found in the Old Testament... the vision of the Old Testament prophets was intrinsically blurred... We must beware of those theological positions which depend primarily on Old Testament texts." (Pg. 23) He adds, “This is the fundamental error of W.G.T. Shedd. His working assumption throughout The Doctrine Of Endless Punishment is that the Old Testament meaning of Sheol must conform to the New Testament meaning of Hades… Throughout his book, he ignores any concept of progressive revelation but reads the Hades of the New Testament into the Sheol of the Old Testament without hesitation.” (Pg. 24)

He argues, “The biblical authors used … the same words which all the religions around them were using to describe man’s immortal and immaterial self, or ego. If the biblical authors did not believe that man had an immaterial side, they would not have used such terms as ‘soul,’ which would indicate this to the hearer of their day. Thus the mere presence of such terms in the Bible as ‘soul’ reveals the absurdity of those who claim that the authors did not believe that man had an immaterial side or soul… if the authors did not believe there was more to man than his body, they would not have used those exact words in the cultural context which would directly refer to man’s immaterial and immortal side.” (Pg. 44)

He suggests that the OT condemnation of necromancy (Deut 18:9-14) "cannot be explained any other way than to mean that Israel did believe in a conscious afterlife..." (Pg. 49) He argues that "soul" and "spirit" are "actually synonyms and are just different names for the same invisible side of man." (Pg. 64) He suggests, “Given the principle of progressive revelation, it is no surprise that the Old Testament is vague in its description of Sheol and the condition of those in it… Another reason for this vagueness is that a conscious afterlife was so universally accepted that it was assumed by the biblical authors to be the belief of anyone who read the Scriptures.” (Pg. 77) He adds, “Given the principle of progressive revelation, that Hades would evolve from merely being the equivalent of Sheol into a word which meant more than Sheol is understandable and expected.” (Pg. 84)

He says of the story of the rich man and Lazarus in Lk 16:19-31, “both sides assume that if Christ’s story is a parable, it is meaningless, and if it is not, it must be a literal account. They both fail to recognize that Christ’s teaching was rabbinic in methodology and that rabbinic parables often revolved around real historical characters… What is important for us to grasp is that Christ used the mental images conjured up by this rabbinic parable to teach that, in the hereafter, the wicked experience torment and the righteous bliss… Christ was not trying to teach that we will talk with the wicked in the hereafter. He was merely using the dialogue method to get across the concept that there is no escape from torment, no second chance…” (Pg. 85)

He acknowledges, “The idea of annihilationism… may indeed be found in some of the intertestamental literature, particularly those works which were influenced by the Sadducees or Stoics. But enough has been given in this chapter to demonstrate that the majority view, that of the common man in the street, was of an eternal, conscious torment of the wicked in Gehenna.” (Pg. 91) Later, he adds, “let us remind [the Universalists] that we feel a strong moral as well as emotional aversion to their idea that rebel sinners like Hitler do not get the justice they so richly deserve.” (Pg. 101)

He admits, however, that Daniel 12:1-3 is "the only clear passage in the Old Testament which speaks of the final state of both the righteous and the wicked." (Pg. 114) He also notes that “‘aion’ and ‘aionos’ follow ‘olam’ in having a wide range of meaning.” (Pg. 129)

He quotes Matt 11:21-24, and comments, "there will be degrees of punishment in hell. While all sinners in hell will be perfectly miserable, they will not be equally miserable." (Pg. 153) He asserts, “If annihilation were true, then God’s justice would be imperiled, for He could not take into account the life of a sinner in determining the degree of punishment that is due, but all sinners would simply pass into the same judgment of nonexistence.” (Pg. 154) He continues, “Christ’s statement in Matt 26:24 … makes no sense whatsoever if Universalism or annihilationism is true. If Judas, with all men, ultimately experiences everlasting life, then it would be better to be born than to remain in nothingness. But if eternal, conscious torment is the fate of the wicked, then it would have been better not to be born… Either way, the wicked enjoyed their evil ways while alive and will never consciously suffer for their sins.” (Pg. 156)

He states that "While it is admitted without reservation that one can be a true Christian and yet hold to annihilationism, we must point out that it is generally in connection with cultic or neo-cultic organizations that this belief is found." (Pg. 204) He dismisses Edward Fudge’s massive The Fire That Consumes: A Biblical and Historical Study of the Doctrine of Final Punishment, noting that “we have consistently found that none of the annihilationists… seem acquainted with the classic orthodox treatments of the subject. Thus, their argument at this point is based on faulty and inadequate research.” (Pg. 205)

Citing the Transfiguration in Matt 17:1-3, he observes, "That Moses was still alive and conscious in the afterlife will always prove an embarrassment to conditionalists." (Pg. 207) He states, “When the Universalist says ‘Christ died for all men,’ he illogically tries to draw the conclusion that all are saved. But there is no biblical or logical warrant or necessity that the infinite sufficiency of the atonement must result in an infinite application. Sufficiency and application are two different things.” (Pg 239) He concludes, "It is not more inconceivable that God rewards finite unbelief with infinite wrath than that He rewards finite faith with infinite bliss." (Pg. 242)

Morey's book (which was praised by the late Walter Martin---the original “Bible Answer Men”---in the Foreword) is a very substantial addition to the biblical examination of such subjects.